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OUTREMER CATAMARANS | UNDER $250K | Is SAILING LA VAGABONDE's catamaran right for you? Yacht Broker

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Sailing La Vagabonde recently switched to an Outremer Catamaran. Should you be looking to buy an Outremer catamaran or focus your sailing catamaran search on the big builders like Lagoon and Leopard? We also list the best sailing catamarans for under $200K or $250K. Yacht broker Gary Fretz argues that Outremer is like many other semi-custom builders in that they have small production runs. Smaller production runs mean that there will be more bugs that have not been fixed in each new model. Custom yachts or boats from semi-custom builders according to him do not have the resources or feedback to fix all the production bugs. He argues that you should never own hulls 1-10 because every model has a lot of bugs, which show up in the early models. Fretz argues that semi-custom or small production run builders do not have the scale to afford to fix all those bugs or the buying power to pass build savings onto the buyers. He lists the best values in 5-year old (post charter) sailing catamarans under $200,000. In Fretz's opionion they are 38-to-42-foot, owner version Lagoon or Leopard Catamarans coming out of the Sunsail or Moorings fleets. Secondary charter fleets selling older boats will typically not fit defects at survey while Sunsail and the Moorings will. Gary Fretz gives a way all his secrets if you e-mail him at BigYachts {at} gmail [dot] com Gary Fretz is the Yachts International, Founder and CEO Licensed and Bonded Yacht and Ship Broker (since 1989) Member: International Yacht Brokers Association LargeCatamaransForSale.com Castle Harbor Boating School, Inc. (Owner) America's Oldest Sailing School (since 1949) Yacht Charters/Boating School/Club/Rentals CastleHarbor.com and Castle Harbor Boating School.com Subscribe to get season 2 in the crossing the Pacific and sail the Marquesas, Fakarava, and Tahiti. For a limited time get $5 off your next purchase with SailTimer at the link below: SailTimer Wind Instrument™: Advanced features, low price. http://www.SailTimerWind.com/SlowBoatSailing The SailTimer Wind Instrument™ is a wireless, solar-powered masthead anemometer. It works with lots of navigation and charting apps. You can raise it from deck level if your boat is in the water, and it has lots of other cool innovations too. Check out the web site to see how it works — and get a discount while supporting our sponsor. We use a Mantus Anchor and swivel on our boat. Get all your Mantus gear at http://www.mantusanchors.com/?affiliates=15 Mantus Anchors and SailTimer Wind Instrument (TM) are corporate sponsors of this video. Support us at www.Patreon.com/slowboatsailing Slow Boat to the Bahamas https://www.amazon.com/dp/B018OUI1Q2/ Slow Boat to Cuba https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01MFFX9AG and How to Sail Around the World-Part Time https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01B0OFYNW/ have been #1 sailing bestseller on Amazon. Associate Producer, Anders Colbenson Sign up for our free newsletter for access to free books and other promotions at www.slowboatsailing.com music by www.BenSound.com Copyright Linus Wilson, Vermilion Advisory Services, 2018
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Slow Boat Sailing (10 months ago)
Check out our other videos about buying a Cat with Gary Fretz! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wOIMXTnLTYw&list=PLmISw2WoaEPwFXI6iEC-G9DyCsQxyeW-l
Ryan Ewbank (2 months ago)
alphasxsignal (3 months ago)
Chris White boats will be around for many many many years.
umvhu (4 months ago)
You briefly decried speed. There are 3 reasons I choose multihull over mono, the first is speed, you can go further with the same provisioning, second they are usually a more comfortable ride than a mono, and third they are usually shallow draft permitting greater opportunites close to shore.
C_R_O_M__________ (4 months ago)
This is a reasonable perspective. However I would expect smaller builders to be more careful in their designs since they have less takes to make it right.
Johnny Go (6 months ago)
So interesting that you’d never recommend semi-custom. The arguments make sense. But I am curious about the higher end builders like Privilege that has a lot of years of catamaran building experience?
G Man (7 months ago)
Completely disagree with you.
Greenflash (7 months ago)
Sorry guys, this is such BS. You can't compare a semi custom semi-performance brand to a MASS builder that designs for the coastal charter market primarily. You get what you pay for. Production models also compete on price, so every bit of structure and every pump and fitting is made as cost effective as possible. Go get one of the hundreds of Lagoon 39's, they are nice boats, or get a boat that is catered to YOU. It is a different business model and they do not even compete with each other. This guy is just trying to slam Outremer and push his own agenda, very biased. Do your own research and speak to real owners, NOT BROKERS (SALESMEN) before you buy!
tropicalday88 (7 months ago)
Really, there are some production boats that are better than others, and there are some semi custom builders that are better than others. This is a gross generalization of builders. Not to mention the fact that a performance cursing cat versus cursing cat storage space comment? Seriously? Weight is the enemy of speed on a cat. If you are performance oriented the fat cat production boat is a floating condo. Great for Island hopping. Some are more into the performance aspect of sailing. If you are not interested in performance then Outremer would be of little interest to you. If you are then Outremer and Catana not Lagoon, FP, or Leopard would be the boats of interest. Do your own research on the type of boat that you fits your type of sailing. Pushing out more boats to meet production numbers when it comes to boat building increases margin for the builder, it does not improve the quality of the build.
Christian Wolf (8 months ago)
Thanks for the great info. Gary is like a walking encyclopedia of knowledge on catamarans. I have a 3 yr plan to buy my own and will definately be using him when it is time to buy.
Slow Boat Sailing (8 months ago)
Christian Wolf we have several more Gary Fretz videos coming up.
Alex FRASER (8 months ago)
This guy kinda sounds like hes in Beneteau's pocket.
Robert Jensen (8 months ago)
Perhaps the Beneauteau group of companies has become so big that the disconnects mentioned in this video are typical of the dysfunctional problems found in large businesses. The hand off from design to procurement, to mold makers, to production in a large manufacturing group is clearly a problem if hulls 1 to 10 are suspect. Outremer would seem to be a semi bespoke builder that has a tight control over the designs through to production, perhaps this is a function of buying a yacht from a high quality semi bespoke builder, as against the big corporate builders...
Robert Rudolph (8 months ago)
OK, I hear what you say but there are exceptions.... take the St. Francis, now there's a great boat and with great back up too. What say you ???
bill hanna (9 months ago)
Rule no 1 - a light cat is a fast cat, more weight less speed & safety.
sean Hudson (9 months ago)
Same problem we have in the Navy first few Ships of a new class always have tons of issues and can take years unfortunately to get right.
vidasencilla (9 months ago)
I've sailed for tests on a new Outremere 5x when it was the new model. They are very fast, and the one had the carbon fibre mast, but the truth is that once you load the boat with liveaboard creature necessities and comforts the polar chart can change considerably. I think this applies to all "fast boats", and in the end do not make for such a big difference.
icitlali stardust (4 months ago)
vidasencilla - interesting...So, what will be your choice ? Because I was budgeting a outremer51
Philip Freeman (10 months ago)
Just like cars avoid the first production.
luciano santucci (10 months ago)
this advice is pure gold
Lightchaserphoto (10 months ago)
Great video lots of good information I'll get ahold of you when I'm ready to buy
Slow Boat Sailing (10 months ago)
2thelightphoto I’m Linus, but Gary will be able to help you out!⚓️⛵️👍🏼
Rustie (10 months ago)
Everyone is entitled to an opinion but I will take a performance cat that actually sails well over a fat hulled condomaran any day. But I am going cruising because I love sailing not motoring..
Michael Kerr (6 months ago)
I totally agree.
john hadley (10 months ago)
Some monohulls, you have to motor because the sails are flapping. If you watch Sailing La Vagabonde, you can see Riley is sailing his catamaran in only a few knots of wind. He mentioned on his old boat he would have had to start up the motor.
Brian Lambert (10 months ago)
Hmm- For many boaters/cruisers (ex racers?) its a combination of things and all boats have compromises so we make our choices. I'm no cat sailor and have no experience or opinion on one brand to another. However Gary makes some assumptions that imply accomodation and comfort trumps performance. He also implies that good mass production techniques will always trump smaller scale and probably more skilled 'craftsmen' led construction. I'm not sure I am sold on "if you want speed fly". For me performance would always be a bigger driver than comfort and accomodation space. We all choose diferent compromises. I might say "if large interior space and comfort is all you want - book a hotel". I'd expect many to disagree (my wife included) and I certainly wouldn't criticise thecompromise choice of others. Craftsman v production - not sure thats always a given either!
Ocean Architect (10 months ago)
Nautitech 47 2002 what can we expect? Well built? Under $220
cartmanrlsusall (8 months ago)
Ocean Architect wharrams all day under 200k
john hadley (10 months ago)
Obviously his point was that speed shouldn't be your only requirement but if I'm crossing an ocean and one cat gets me to my destination in 20 days and the other gets me there in 12, I'd be pretty interested in the faster cat.
Andrew Locke (10 months ago)
I hear you John. The time saving across the Pacific on a quick cat would be a month.
VERTICAL Wisdom (10 months ago)
Really? make a decision on purchasing your upscale Cat from a video in a bedroom with the closet needing repair. Come on.
Kaido Loor (10 months ago)
C'mon, nobody with brains makes a decision based on one Youtube video. Give the guys a credit for putting out their thoughts and experience.
Andrew Baumgartner (10 months ago)
Don't like flybridge cats. The center of effort is elevated, access to the boom is difficult, helmsman is disconnected to the rest of the boat.
Reset Your Dream (10 months ago)
I truly enjoy the knowledge and insight.
Sailing VIO (10 months ago)
if a cat gets blown over in the middle of the pacific its goodbye Charlie ....ill stick to monos !
cartmanrlsusall (8 months ago)
fair winds and following seas to you sir .a day at sea in any boat beats a week on land working a job
Sailing VIO (8 months ago)
cartmanrlsusall ...there’s certainly lots of good things about cats , there roomy, fast and can go in shallow water , at the end of the day it’s each to there own , best wishes Phil
cartmanrlsusall (8 months ago)
Sailing VIO it takes a lot of mishandling to capsize a modern cat,and using flotation technology they don't sink.a monohull capsized is just as dangerous, they might self right but there is no guarantee they won't sink later
Sailing VIO (8 months ago)
cartmanrlsusall I believe this to be true , if a big catamaran gets capsized in the middle of the ocean they will not right themselves like a monohull , that’s all I’m saying
cartmanrlsusall (8 months ago)
Sailing VIO thats not true, i don't think lying to scare catamaran buyers is a way to make your point
John Johnson (10 months ago)
Still not sold on cats...
Ocean Architect (10 months ago)
My friend has a 47' custom... Amazingly fast, spacious and comfortable!
Slow Boat Sailing (10 months ago)
We still like our 31' mono.

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